Michelle Young Murder: Rage or Planned?

I made the post below at the CourtTV forum a few days ago, but it got little response. It seems most people discussing this case are already convinced that Michelle Young’s murder was planned. I tend to agree with the notion that it was planned, but, as I said in the post, I’m interested in exploring the rage theory. So, I’m bringing the post here in hopes that any who might like to contribute, but are uncomfortable with the registration process required at message boards or don’t want to attach a name to their comments, will feel comfortable contributing here.

At this point, I’m not interested in arguing guilt versus innocence. Until the evidence is presented, it isn’t likely that any who believe Jason is guilty will change the opinion of any who believe he is innocent, and vice versa. Arguing about it is an endless loop of futility, imo. I prefer to discuss the topic of motive. More generally, was this murder a rage killing, or did the killer plan to murder Michelle before he ever entered the house that night? I tend to believe it was planned, but I’d like to further explore and discuss the rage theory of a fight that got out of control. The essence of a rage killing is uncontrolled physical violence.So the most basic question one could ask, if you consider Jason the perpetrator, is had there ever been any signs of violence in the past? It’s been said by people who know the couple that they were not afraid to argue in front of other people and that their arguments were quite loud and made those present uncomfortable. So my questions of them are:

  1. Was there ever any type of physical violence, from Jason or Michelle, during these altercations — hitting, grabbing, pushing, throwing things, menacing behavior or threats of violence?
  2. In retrospect, were there ever any injuries to either of them that caused anyone to wonder if there had been physical violence?
  3. Was there ever any household damage that could have been caused by physical violence?
  4. Were there ever any odd explanations or excuses from either of the Youngs that left you questioning their veracity, if even for a fleeting moment?

I realize my questions aren’t likely to bring any insiders out of lurkdom. Who in their right mind would willingly throw themselves into this arena?! Nevertheless, I think the questions are important. IMO, they are elemental to the theory of a rage killing.

If you have anything to add, just click the Comments link at the bottom of this entry. You can make up a nickname or comment anonymously. On the off chance that you would like to contribute but don’t want your comment published, just preface it with “Confidential” and I will withhold it in Comment Moderation.

Update: August 30, 2007

Comment moderation has been turned off. All new comments will be published immediately by the author.

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131 comments so far

  1. Anonymous on

    i think it happened out of rage, after an argument.

    however, that doesn’t mean there was no pre-planning whatsoever. i do believe that he had thought about how he would kill her before. i believe that he had probably rehearsed in his head (or maybe even written it down at some point) how he would do it, if the “need” ever arose.

    i don’t believe he planned to do it that night, in particular. but i do believe that he knew exactly how he would do it, if the time ever presented itself.

    CE from CTV

  2. gojo1 on

    Hi, Scout. Well, I used your calendar again, so I feel obligated to leave something. I am still intrigued by the timing of the SW for videos and the therapist revelation. One week apart. The SW came first.

    You asked about the rage. The post that was on one of the boards a while back is true. Jason loves to tease. If you get mad, he teases even more. Michelle got angry enough once to attack Jason, scratched his face. This was just from teasing. Jason even consulted his minister about it, he was so shocked. That’s the only instance I have heard of a physical attack.

    You asked about plan/unplanned. I can tell you, if it was planned, it wasn’t planned more than a day in advance. The killers saw their chance and took it.

    If Jason had done the planning, it would not be at a time when it would interfere with the homecoming football game and festivities.

  3. Average Jane on

    To the person who posted a comment on this blog entry yesterday:

    Your comment is being held in moderation. I need to know if you intended for it to be published or kept confidential. Please post another comment specifying your discretion.

  4. gojo1 on

    If you’re talking about mine, Jane: Sure, publish.

    Gojo

  5. Average Jane on

    I think you and I need to discuss this privately before I allow your comment to be published. I’ll get back to you when I can figure out how to best accomplish that.

  6. Average Jane on

    There are some questions I would like to ask before I publish your comment. I can set up a private blog entry here that is password protected. You and I can discuss this matter on the comment section of that entry. All I need from you is for you to give me a password and agree not to share that password with anyone else. I will set up the private entry with the password you provide, and I will agree to not share the password with anyone else. When we are done with the discussion, I will delete the entry and the discussion if you so choose.

  7. RPD on

    ====Jason even consulted his minister about it, he was so shocked.====

    What minister ? They were married in “rental church” and he had Michelle’s funeral in the mortuary chapel rather than a church. He does not sound very close to a minister to me. Are you sure he did not consult a lawyer instead ?

  8. Average Jane on

    Good question, RPD. I’d like to know where gojo heard about this incident. Did he witness it himself? Did he hear about it from Jason or a family member? When did it occur? What was the nature of the teasing?

  9. indie on

    gojo it is interesting that the “little something” you left actually does not reflect well upon Jason. Light and fun teasing in a marriage is healthy. Relentless teasing to the detriment of the other often has underlying psychodynamics.

    Virginia Satir a noted family therapist in this quote sort of depicts what I feel might have been the case in Michelle and Jason’s marriage:

    “Teasing is often unacknowledged hostility. It is an attempt to avoid responsibility for being honest. Teasing is often an effort to disclaim the presence of hostility and in effect, everyone loses.”

    So gojo if the teasing incident is true as you described quite possibly it was and is Jason with the rage problem.

    indie

  10. MadamLurkaLot on

    If one reads up on joking around and teasing to excess, one finds out it can be a form of abuse.
    It can be considered a type of bullying. It can be signs of controlling behavior, also insecurity, and even jealousy. IMO, teasing someone to the point of causing someone to strike out to get it stopped is very bad news about the person doing the teasing.
    I wonder how often this bahavior occured, and how much of it was done in a belittling way.

  11. chineseeyes on

    from my experience with jason in college, i can back up what gojo said about jason pressing buttons. indeed, if he found something you were sensitive about, he would pick that scab until it was a gaping wound. i experienced this extreme form of teasing many times myself from him. it got old. i got to know him so well, that i realized the only way to get him to stop was to pretend it didn’t bother me. this really worked for me. fortunately, i was not married to him.

    i can imagine how miserable it must have been for michelle to have to deal with this tiring form of abuse on a daily basis.

  12. indie on

    CE your comments about your experiences with Jason are very interesting and helpful to the discussion. From some reading I did on teasing pretending it doesn’t bother you is exactly one of the ways children are taught to handle teasing. However, as you noted above you were not his spouse and therein lies the crux of the issue. If one’s spouse doesn’t stop when asked or if the teasing becomes more vindictive this is definitely a sign of serious problems in a marriage.

    And low and behold guess what one therapist recommended if your spouse does not stop with this form of abuse…yes you guessed it seek professional help. So perhaps the fact that Michelle sought some sort of counseling means she too saw it as a form of emotional abuse.

  13. Average Jane on

    Thanks for your comments, RPD, MadamLL, indie and chineseeyes. I was hoping some discussion would arise from gojo’s comment, so I really appreciate your participation. The incident gojo describes was rumored early on at various forums, but it had never been confirmed as fact. It was roundly dismissed as fiction at the CourtTV board. Gojo’s comment appears to confirm that it did indeed occur. I hope he will return to contribute to the discussion.

  14. gojo1 on

    Well, Scout, I have been roundly criticized for months now. Folks such as Indie above seem to think I should not post items that reflect poorly on Jason. Why not? I’ve done it for months now.

    The teasing incident was on the boards, but not entirely accurate. And there’s a little more to the story that doesn’t need to be told. The story probably originated with a close friend of Jason or Michelle. Why shouldn’t I correct it? I don’t try to portray Jason as a saint. He ain’t a saint. Truth is more to my liking.

    No, I didn’t see the incident myself. It is a well-known story among family and friends. I think it illustrates that Michelle could hold her own with Jason. She had a strong will. It also shows that even when provoked Jason would never strike Michelle. Never.

  15. Average Jane on

    Welcome back, gojo.

    I don’t get the impression from indie’s post that she thinks you shouldn’t post things that reflect negatively on Jason. Speaking for myself, I appreciate anything you can share. I guess I’m just a little surprised, because of your staunch support of Jason, when you do post something that doesn’t reflect well on him.

    Regarding the teasing incident, why shouldn’t the entire story be told? The story is of little value if it is perceived wrongly due to incomplete information. If you are willing to share it privately, I can live with that.

    Truth is more to my liking, too. Do you have an opinion as to why no one has tried before to correct or clarify the story? It’s been kicked around on the boards for a long time, but you are the first person to confirm that it happened. I wonder why no one has spoken up before now.

    I’m well aware that Jason isn’t a saint, so your information doesn’t shock me. It’s just sometimes surprising that you are willing to share. Thanks, gojo.

  16. indie on

    Hi gojo long time no talk. Signing up with all those other sites is a bit too complicated for me so I never get a chance to talk to you anymore. You certainly have come a long way from your early posting days at CTV requesting that we all sign our names at the bottom of our posts. I have treated you with respect and I am hoping we can continue on good terms.

    Gojo one of the biggest problems I have with Jason is his lack of cooperation. Think about this really hard because if one looks at the Jason you have shared with us, his fear to cooperate does not make sense to me.

    I know Jason is not a saint according to you but I thought I’d review the image you have portrayed of him:

    a. kind country boy
    b. raised by a wonderful and loving mom
    c. loved the outdoors
    d. loved animals
    e. loved participating in sports with his friends
    f. successful college experience
    g. has had great job success
    h. is a fun and loving dad to his daughter
    i. married an intelligent and extremely capable woman
    j. loved his wife and would never ever harm her
    ______________________________________________________

    Seems to me that adds up to an intelligent MAN that could certainly help with the investigation without being railroaded by LE.

    Would Jason have helped in the investigation if Cassidy would have been murdered too? I wonder what he is fearful of if he answers LE’s questions?

    Gojo how is Jason doing these days? The anniversary of Michelle’s murder might bring on some media attention, so will Jason make any comments at that time?

    indie

    PS Hoping that your granddaughter is doing okay.

  17. gojo1 on

    Hey, you did it, Indie! You didn’t make me scroll! You are a doll. Yep, quite a few posts away from the early days.

    Don’t blame you for not signing on at other sites. The insults are no longer the jesting, teasing sort. Now they’re nasty personal mean attacks that are well… insulting. There are some posters I don’t even ‘talk’ to anymore.

    I’m impressed with your list of 10. I reckon I didn’t realize I’d done that in my posts. You do make Jason look sorta saint-like. I’m sure I could come up with another type of list. But I won’t.

    Why won’t Jason submit to a grilling? I’ve never asked him, he’s never said, but I have a guess. Same answer, I reckon: he trusts his lawyer. Plus, the cops blew it. They insulted him right off by accusing him of killing his wife.

    People don’t seem to realize how mountain folk react to a deadly insult. If we can’t fight you, we avoid you until our turn comes. And it will. We’re storing ammunition for that day.

    HOWEVER, I think if Jason knew something that would help the cops, he would get the information to them. He wouldn’t deliberately let the killer walk. JMO, of course.

    I refuse to call it an anniversary, but I reckon I don’t know what Jason will do at the one-year mark. I don’t look for him to talk to the media nor the cops.

    Yep, my grand had another doctor’s visit today. I haven’t heard the results yet. We think, though, she will lose the eye. But she won’t be handicapped nor crippled. We won’t allow it.

    –Gojo

  18. Average Jane on

    Gojo, when did this teasing/scratching incident happen?

  19. Average Jane on

    Gojo, did you read the latest at CourtTV? Jason got physically violent with a former girlfriend. Still think he would never raise a hand to Michelle?

  20. indie on

    gojo I agree with you about the insults. It is not my cup of tea either. I do believe that posters like Surfy have been extraordinarily fair to you. I have watched her over at CS and she is an intelligent person albeit a bit eccentric but very intelligent nonetheless. Hard to match Surfy’s wit isn’t it? Just so you know I am also a big fan of RPD, mainly because he has worked hard on his own to seek the real facts. Even you have to admire his tenacity to help in the cause of justice for Michelle. I swear he has more guts than the Raleigh media. And scout well she’s something else too. Her brain is like one big huge file cabinet filled with all the facts and of course rumors of this case.

    We all believe Jason murdered Michelle. We all believe that one day you will experience a very painful realization that the Jason you so dearly love beat his beautiful wife to her death. After watching you post for months I wonder if you would even be able to believe Jason himself if he personally admitted to you he killed his wife. It must be really hard to even entertain a fleeting thought that Jason could have bludgeoned poor Michelle. I can understand it for I have two sons.

    What I don’t understand is how you stand by watching the insane posting of your coattail minions as they crucify Meredith and Michelle’s mother Linda Fisher. Come on gojo speak up and stop that nonsense! You know there is not a lick of truth to those idiotic posts.

    Okay back to talking about the facts of the case…

    So gojo from your reply to me above you stated, “They insulted him right off by accusing him of killing his wife.” If this did happen I will say this was a colossal mistake on LE’s part to make such an accusation within a half a day of the investigation. Sheriff Donnie might want to do some basic 101 inservice training on how to treat the husband in the initial stages of a spousal murder investigation. However I am wondering if this really was just an excuse to involve a lawyer from the get-go.

    So at what point in the initial hours of the investigation did Jason feel he was being accused of the murder?
    a. The first meeting of LE in Brevard? Wait was LE even there or did his mom and step dad inform Jason of his wife’s murder?
    b. During the car ride to Raleigh per phone conversations? Wait I don’t think Jason actually talked to LE, they may have only talked to his mom right?
    c. At Meredith’s place when he came to pick up his little Cassidy?

    Lordy be gojo at what point did an officer accuse him of the murder?

    indie

    PS I am extremely sorry to hear about your granddaughter’s eye. I hope you all have explored every single option for this problem.

  21. Average Jane on

    I’m sorry to hear about your granddaughter’s eye, gojo. How old is she?

  22. Average Jane on

    I just wanted to let you know I have received and read your private correspondence. Forgive me if it seems rude, but I do not feel comfortable replying to you via email. My earlier offer of a password-protected thread here is still on the table. All you need do is send me a confidential password, and I will set it up.

  23. surfside6 on

    Gojo said:
    People don’t seem to realize how mountain folk react to a deadly insult. If we can’t fight you, we avoid you until our turn comes. And it will. We’re storing ammunition for that day.

    ___________________________________

    gojo,

    i swear that paragraph made my blood run cold.

    don’t you realize that you just showed us a glimpse into what happened to michelle?

    jason had stored up his ammunition until the early morning hours of nov 3rd, 2006 when beat the living daylights out of poor michelle for what he thought was a deadly insult.

  24. gojo1 on

    Scout, I reckon I don’t know when the scratching incident occurred.

    As for the other, I reckon I was surprised to see you post about an alleged incident with Jason’s fiance as being fact. You must consider the source, and the lack of a source. Surfside is certainly not Jason’s friend, and she doesn’t say where the info came from. I’d have more confidence in the info if one of Jason’s friends collaborated.

  25. gojo1 on

    Oh, Surfside, stop being so dramatic. Your blood ran cold? Living daylights? Scout might not tolerate drama queens here. Be careful.

    –Gojo

  26. gojo1 on

    Naw, Scout, I reckon I don’t need emails nor a private route. Thanks, anyway. If things change, I’ll let you know.

    My six-month-grand is doing fine, thanks.

    –Gojo

  27. Average Jane on

    Scout, I reckon I don’t know when the scratching incident occurred.

    As for the other, I reckon I was surprised to see you post about an alleged incident with Jason’s fiance as being fact. You must consider the source, and the lack of a source. Surfside is certainly not Jason’s friend, and she doesn’t say where the info came from. I’d have more confidence in the info if one of Jason’s friends collaborated.

    Fair enough, gojo. Did you know the former fiancée? Can you confirm or refute the allegation? Have you asked any of Jason’s Raleigh friends if they have any knowledge of such an incident.

  28. gojo1 on

    Well, Indie, I have seen some really idiotic lies told about Jason on the boards. I have yet to see a lie told about any of the Fishers. The opinions based on what the posters know are just that… opinions. Maybe you should at least consider those opinions as having merit.

  29. Average Jane on

    Surfside is on solid ground, gojo. I don’t have a problem with her comments.

    The offer of a private thread stands if you ever feel the need to take me up on it.

    I’m glad to hear your grandbaby is doing fine. Thanks for the reply.

  30. gojo1 on

    Jason’s friends advised him to get a lawyer, Indie, and also helped him find one. This happened immediately when Jason returned to Raleigh. Evidently the cops weren’t too subtle as they questioned Jason’s friends.

    If you’ll look at the NTO warrant, you’ll see three times on there where the cops accused Jason of beating his wife to death.

    I’ve offered to tutor Sheriff Donnie and his crew on how not to insult the husband of a murdered woman. So far, no answer. You reckon that is my answer?

  31. gojo1 on

    Nope, Scout, I know nothing about the former fiance. Maybe I’ll ask around.

  32. Average Jane on

    Okay, gojo. I hope you let us know if you are able to find anyone who can confirm or deny the story.

  33. Surfside6 on

    considering how jason treated the women around him,
    i guess you could say that i’m lucky not to be a friend.

    his teasing is very passive/agressive. it is hidden hostility. his sexual advances and vicious, merciless teasing were not OK.

    i hope you aren’t stroung up ammunition to use against me. i too, have an arsenal and hold grudges. i’m working on the grudge thing, though.

    i’m not being overly dramatic, gojo. i’m being truthful. you guys are like latter day Hatfield and McCoys their feud was over one lousy pig.

  34. Surfside6 on

    typo: storing up ammo

  35. gojo1 on

    Whoa there, Surfside. ‘passive/aggressive’, ‘hidden hostility’…. You’re sounding like one of them head doctors. That’s way over my head. I warned you about that drama queen stuff, though.

    Why would I need ammo against you? Nope. I’ll save the ammo for the pigs.

    –Gojo

  36. Surfside6 on

    gojo — you aren’t thinking of going out in a blaze of glory or “death by cop” are you?

    talk about being a drama queen.

    but if you are slaughtering hogs, please don’t tell me. i’ll be upset.

  37. Surfside6 on

    what was jason’s relationship like with his sisters
    growing up? did they tease and bully him? or did he tease and bully them?

    was he competitive with his sisters?

  38. Surfside6 on

    Gojo,

    your business card doesn’t say,

    Guns & Ammo

    does it?

  39. Surfside6 on

    even though i abhor violence, i think that this woman might be my new role model. i ran across her last night while googling.

    Bad-azzed environmentalist.

    Flossie opposed removal of the cork elms with a shotgun. Taken 1965.

    gojo, does jason own guns?

  40. indie on

    gojo: Well, Indie, I have seen some really idiotic lies told about Jason on the boards. I have yet to see a lie told about any of the Fishers. The opinions based on what the posters know are just that… opinions. Maybe you should at least consider those opinions as having merit

    gojo,

    When you have a chance can you share at least 3 idiotic lies about Jason from the boards? I can’t think of any mainly because I don’t personally know Jason. You are in a better position to point them out to me.

    Re: Fisher family bashing, I guess what you are trying to tell me is that the other posters are responsible for their own posts.
    That is where you and I differ. I believe someone that loves Jason would support his dear wife’s family through this tragic time. Gojo you and I both know Jason does not believe Meredith murdered his wife. Post it on a board. It will stop the bashing immediately.

    ATTENTION SCOUT! WE NEED A PREVIEW BUTTON FOR THIS REPLY BOX BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW HTML CODES AND I HAVE NO IDEA IF MY QUOTE FROM GOJO IS GOING TO TURN OUT LIKE A QUOTE.

  41. indie on

    Okay I pressed submit and my quote attempt looks pathetic. I am sure gojo will figure out what statement of his I am addressing in the above post.

  42. indie on

    Gojo answered:

    Jason’s friends advised him to get a lawyer, Indie, and also helped him find one. This happened immediately when Jason returned to Raleigh. Evidently the cops weren’t too subtle as they questioned Jason’s friends.
    If you’ll look at the NTO warrant, you’ll see three times on there where the cops accused Jason of beating his wife to death.
    I’ve offered to tutor Sheriff Donnie and his crew on how not to insult the husband of a murdered woman. So far, no answer. You reckon that is my answer?

    _______________________________________________________________

    In a way getting a lawyer early is a good thing. No one can say Jason is being railroaded by LE. Absolutely no rush to judgement in this case that is for sure! So his friends did a very admirable thing to protect their buddy. However gojo, those friends have talked among themselves and are now suspicious that Jason may be involved with his wife’s murder. They do not understand why Jason doesn’t take that “top notch” lawyer with him to the sheriff’s office and answer some questions. Gojo, does Jason still have to pay the lawyers even if nothing is happening in the case? Does he meet with them on a regular basis to discuss “stuff”? I wonder if the lawyer has to help prepare Jason for an arrest? I would think a good lawyer would need to prepare their client for all possibilities.

    As for Donnie I believe he’d like to redo a few things in the initial stages of the investigation. Actually I bet the DA is the most frustrated because he is the one that may have to face off with Mr. Smith.

  43. gojo1 on

    OKAY, INDIE, YOU ASKED FOR A FEW: LIES TOLD ABOUT JASON:

    1. He killed Michelle

    2. Car accident

    3. Boat accident

    4. Swallowed a ring

    5. Sabotaged heat pump

    6. Sabotaged garage door

    7. Locked dog in bathroom

    8. He is a narcissist

    9. He’s not a narcissist

    10. He is a spendthrift

    11. He wallowed in the fleshpots of California, Las Vegas

    12. He didn’t want Michelle and Cassie to go on the Calif. trip

    13. He wasted money on the Calif. trip

    14. Michelle was upset about money spent for the Calif. trip.

    15. He wanted a divorce

    16. She wanted a divorce

    17. He bought life insurance a week before he killed her, a month before, etc.

    Oh, I’m tired of this. I could go on for several more pages.

    Now it’s your turn. Tell me the lies told about the Fishers.

  44. RPD on

    1. He killed Michelle

    2. Car accident…Nothing sinister

    3. Boat accident….Nothing sinister

    4. Swallowed a ring….Who cares ?

    5. Sabotaged heat pump…Too expensive to fix

    6. Sabotaged garage door…Needed $300

    7. Locked dog in bathroom….No way

    8. He is a narcissist….Absolutely

    9. He’s not a narcissist….No way

    10. He is a spendthrift…Living beyond means, yes.

    11. He wallowed in the fleshpots of California, Las Vegas….not in front of Mommy

    12. He didn’t want Michelle and Cassie to go on the Calif. trip…Cassie yes, MY no.

    13. He wasted money on the Calif. trip…Correct

    14. Michelle was upset about money spent for the Calif. trip…..Right again.

    15. He wanted a divorce…Nope. He could not afford a divorce.

    16. She wanted a divorce…That was in the cards.

    17. He bought life insurance a week before he killed her, a month before, etc…..Timing is off. It was within 12 months though.

  45. Surfside6 on

    gojo says that this is a lie:

    9. He’s not a narcissist

    __________________________________

    agreed.

  46. RPD on

    In order to convict Jason Young of first-degree murder, prosecutors must prove five legal “elements” beyond a reasonable doubt:

    Young acted with malice.

    Young’s actions were the “proximate cause” of his wife’s death.

    Young intended to kill his spouse. (Intent is “seldom provable by direct evidence” but may be inferred from a chain of circumstances.)

    Young premeditated his wife’s death. (Premeditation exists when someone forms the intent to kill “over some period of time, however short.”)

    Young acted with deliberation.

  47. gojo1 on

    Howdy, RPD. How do you do that? Today you sound like a lawyer. I’m impressed. And I think you’ve got it almost right. I’ll help a little:

    SOMEBODY acted with malice. No doubt about it.

    SOMEBODY’S actions were the “proximate cause” of his wife’s death. Absolutely.

    SOMEBODY intended to kill Michelle. (Intent is “seldom provable by direct evidence” but may be inferred from a chain of circumstances.) This may be hard to prove, unless the killers confess. I think it was not the original intent.

    SOMEBODY premeditated Michelle’s death. (Premeditation exists when someone forms the intent to kill “over some period of time, however short.”) Again, I doubt this will be proved.

    SOMEBODY acted with deliberation. The original intent was not to kill, so I doubt ‘deliberation’ can be proved.

    The killers will confess to second degree murder when confronted with the evidence. The ‘heinous nature’ might get them life without parole anyway.

    You were right too about some of the trivial lies told about Jason. But then, all Indie asked for were idiot lies, not significance. Not much thinking involved in composing that short list.

    –Gojo

  48. Average Jane on

    Gojo, I’m sure Meredith told LE where she found the “freaking out” dog when she arrived. Do you know where that was?

  49. Average Jane on

    Indie, it doesn’t appear that I can provide a Preview button. Maybe the upgraded version of wordpress offers that option, but I’m a cheapskate when it comes to blogging.

    If you want to quote someone, the proper format is <blockquote> at the beginning of the quoted text and </blockquote> at the end. The template will automatically indent and italicize the quoted text. You have to use the < and > brackets rather than [ and ].

  50. gojo1 on

    Nope, Scout, reckon not. I’d like to know, also. Seems to me she or one of her buds would tell us.

  51. gojo1 on

    Something else I’d like to know, Scout: What time did Meredith arrive at Birchleaf? Maybe she or one of her buds will tell us that.

    And by the way, do you recall how we know the 911 call was around 1:30?

  52. gojo1 on

    SURFSIDE TEASED: “what was jason’s relationship like with his sisters
    growing up? did they tease and bully him? or did he tease and bully them?
    was he competitive with his sisters?
    —————————–

    Nope, not competitive. He was athletics, they were scholars. All three still love to tease. No bullying that I know of.

    –Gojo

  53. concernedcitizen on

    Nope, not competitive. He was athletics, they were scholars. All three still love to tease. No bullying that I know of.

    –Gojo

    I think we may have a different definition of “bullying”. A person who teases to the point of making another angry, and that encourages the teaser to continue and make it worse makes that person a bullier in my book.

  54. RPD on

    Proving the 5 elements takes time gojo.

    Time will tell though. Jason will pay for his crime in due time.

  55. gojo1 on

    Well, Concerned, you may be right. Maybe a tease by any other name is a bully. But I don’t think Jason would pick on someone who can’t defend himself. Maybe he just made a mistake with Michelle once by going too far and learned his lesson. JMO of course.

  56. Dida on

    Maybe he just made a mistake with Michelle once by going too far and learned his lesson.

    Now that is a chilling post.

  57. Surfside6 on

    he did go too far once, he killed her.

    SOMEBODY=jason

  58. Surfside6 on

    gojo,

    bullies are usually bullied at home.

    did you ever see evidence of jason being bullied at home or school when he was growing up?

  59. Surfside6 on

    gojo,
    it was a question not a tease (but thanks for not scratching me).

  60. gojo1 on

    “Chilling post,” is it? Now Dida, Scout might not put up with another drama queen on her board. Surfside and her cold blood is more than enough.

    And no, Surfside, Jason was never bullied. You think I would allow somebody to bully my Jason? Or my Surfside?

    –Gojo

  61. Surfside6 on

    where were you when the Rafter was bullying me?!
    too little, too late.

  62. Surfside6 on

    and your surfside poem — bullying or adulation?

  63. Surfside6 on

    gojo, what was mr. Young like? did he have a temper?

  64. Dida on

    I do not believe I’ve had the pleasure of your acquaintance, Gojo, but I can assure you I am no drama queen. I’ve heard much about the retired Brevardian teacher, however, and I must say, I find you interesting.

    While I admire your tenacity in defending Mr. Young, you must admit the evidence does not support your position. I have endeavored to remain neutral in my analysis of the murder of Michelle Young, but I can find no other suspect whose means, motive and opportunity equals that of Jason Young. Would that it were otherwise, for the sake of Michelle’s daughter.

  65. Hillary on

    I speak from experience. Being the Middle child and only son, Jason and Big Sis butted heads from day one.

    I agree with Gojo, Jason was never bullied. HE learned to be the aggressor.

  66. Surfside6 on

    from who did jason learn to be the aggressor?

  67. Hillary on

    OMG, Hillary is really RPD !… I hate Jason even more than the Clinton’s !

  68. Dida on

    Something else I’d like to know, Scout: What time did Meredith arrive at Birchleaf? Maybe she or one of her buds will tell us that.

    Gojo, do you actually believe that Meredith and/or her friends are posting on message boards regarding this crime? I do not, for the simple reason that no one is capable of exercising the amount of restraint required in the face of some of the posts on these boards about Meredith – or about her mother, for that matter.

  69. RPD on

    Gojo knows the Fisher’s and Michelle’s friends are not posting because they have nothing to prove. They know who killed their loved one. They are patiently letting LE do their job.

  70. Surfside6 on

    i think that some of michelle’s friends and friends of the fishers have TRIED to post but have been frustrated and disgusted by the trolls.

    they have nothing to prove, but their posts are proof positive that they loved michelle.

  71. gojo1 on

    Well, Surfside, how about reposting some of these posts so we can all see the ‘proof positive’ you speak of. If you don’t mind, of course.

    –Gojo

  72. gojo1 on

    Surfside, I must say for once you are righter than rpd. The Fishers have posted and are posting and reading several boards. They know what is going on. JMO of course.

    I agree it must be very difficult for them to read some of the things said on these boards.

    –Gojo

  73. gojo1 on

    The Rafter WAS bullying you, Surfside. You notice he stopped when he saw my adulation. And no, Jason’s dad did not have a fearsome temper.

  74. gojo1 on

    DIDA CANDIDLY SAID: SNIPPED “…but I can find no other suspect whose means, motive and opportunity equals that of Jason Young. Would that it were otherwise, for the sake of Michelle’s daughter.”
    ————————–

    Howdy, Ms. Dida. Nice to finally meet you, a level voice in this maelstrom on the boards. I reckon I’ll try to give you your ‘otherwise’.

    I’ll ignore motive for that’s been overly discussed. But means and opportunity? How about Meredith. She qualifies. What about Rhett? He qualifies. What about GA friend? She qualifies. Other Jason friends? Michelle’s friends?

    Motive? I reckon we can make up motives for all these, the same as we made up motives for Jason. “We” being posters, of course.

    –Gojo

  75. doofus on

    Gojo, I feel sorry for you, because you are delusional if you can’t see all the evidence that points only to Jason. His silence on the matter of his lovely wife’s death speaks volumes. No self-respecting man would sit back without providing LE as much information as he could. I hope you have a strong heart and a supportive mental health professional, because the shock of his inevitable arrest may kill you.

  76. Surfside6 on

    well luckily gojo does have several mental health professionals in his family. they will support him
    when the jason’s arrest and guilty verdict are handed down (and gojo won’t have to be “weak” enough to ask, they will volunteer).

  77. RPD on

    I think Gojo knows his family friend is probably guilty of the unthinkable. When he is finally arrested, I think there will be a private sense of relief. Harboring a criminal for nearly a year must be very stressful.

  78. Surfside6 on

    correction: when jason’s arrested and the guilty

  79. Dida on

    I agree, Gojo. If we are to limit the discussion to means and opportunity, I suppose Meredith, Rhett, GA friend, the neighborhood boy, you and I, for that matter, bear examination. But I am afraid one cannot eliminate motive from the equation. For means and opportunity alone are not adequate indicators.

    I have read a great deal of speculation about Meredith, although very little about the others, with regard to motive. I concede that Meredith, according to the standards of some, has not led an exemplary life. Nothing I have read, however, has convinced me that Meredith had a motive to murder her sister. Sibling rivalry, perhaps. Jealousy, perhaps. Rage of a depth to propel Michelle’s teeth across a room, hardly.

    That level of rage requires rejection, fear or hatred intense enough to trigger a total loss of control. Is Jason Young capable of that? You would know better than I, I suppose. I truly hope he is not. Aside from my concerns for Cassidy, I am reluctant to think that a woman as bright as Michelle could have fallen in love with a man capable of such rage. And I do believe Michelle loved Jason – or at least the Jason she thought she knew. The charming, attentive man who made her laugh, who gave her dreams of a bright future, who wanted to father her children.

    I suppose that is my question to you, Gojo. How well does anyone ever know another person? Do we all not see what we need to see, what we hope to see? And 95% of the time, do people not behave in accordance with the way they are perceived by those who love them? That other 5% is the frightening part, in my opinion. And to that part, I believe none of us can speak.

  80. Surfside6 on

    especially is the other 5% is wielding a heavy object

  81. Surfside6 on

    especially if the other 5% is wielding a heavy object

  82. RPD on

    The Boy Scout that hiked the Appalachian Trail is not the same Jason the Brevardian’s knew. We know he “changed” when he went off to school. Gojo only remembers the Jay that was “Mr All Mountain”, 14 years earlier.

  83. gojo1 on

    Yep, Dida, you’re right: before assigning motives to someone, you’d better know that person, and know him well. You and others are ready to assign motive to Jason based on what you have read on the boards. I reckon I can’t help you there.

    But if you knew some others as you think you know Jason, I reckon you might find some motives you hadn’t expected. Many bits of information about others will never be posted simply because I think some things are very personal to the families involved.

    –Gojo

  84. gojo1 on

    Well, RPD, you know the mantra: “You can take the boy out of the mountains, but…..” Some truth in that, I reckon. Sure people change once they leave home for the big world. But their core values don’t change. JMO, of course.

  85. gojo1 on

    Howdy, Doofus. I reckon I’m not delusional… I can see that evidence you mention. Over 11 months I have destroyed every bit of it–some five times or more. My problem is I can’t get people to believe me. They think I am a doofus!

    –Gojo

  86. gojo1 on

    Now Surfside. Really. Do you think I will lie down on the couch for anyone, even family? Nope, won’t happen. You have to be STRONG, Surfside. Stand on your own. Stay off the couch!

    –Gojo

  87. Surfside6 on

    who says you have to lie down on a couch?
    you can sit in your rocking chair, just point the rifle in the other direction, pa kettle.

  88. Surfside6 on

    you are destroying evidence, gojo??!!

    i knew it! camping, fishing, huh.

  89. Surfside6 on

    gojo, you know her well —
    could Big Sis be jason’s accomplice, accessory or AATF?

  90. Surfside6 on

    lie down?
    you might have to be tied down the day jason is arrested…

    have that herbal calmative ready.

  91. Surfside6 on

    gojo, what is jason’s relationship like with
    his sister’s husbands?

    how often does Big Sis and her husband come to Brevard?

    did Pat and her husband travel to Raleigh often
    before the murder? how about now?

  92. Dida on

    Yep, Dida, you’re right: before assigning motives to someone, you’d better know that person, and know him well. You and others are ready to assign motive to Jason based on what you have read on the boards. gojo1

    I acknowledge having assigned motives to Jason; however, I have done so based more upon the information in the media than on the boards. And I will admit, that, at times, I have become caught up in theories and rumors, and may have posted comments that are less than complimentary.

    But while this is deeply personal for you, Gojo, you should perhaps consider that others are not constrained by preconceived ideas regarding Jason’s character and capabilities. He is a logical suspect in this murder, and, in the absence of a named suspect, will continue to be the subject of analysis and speculation.

    As for assigning motive, I would remind you that the boards contain a great deal of speculation regarding Meredith’s motives, based upon nothing more than comments on myspace pages, an eBay sale and google searches of questionable relevance. Should not the same rules apply?

  93. Dida on

    But if you knew some others as you think you know Jason, I reckon you might find some motives you hadn’t expected. Many bits of information about others will never be posted simply because I think some things are very personal to the families involved. gojo1

    I have no doubt that the lives of “others” include incidents that should not be made public; my own life certainly has its moments. And I commend you for your restraint in not bringing that information to the boards (although I have noted that, as you have here, you have alluded to such information, which might be construed as bringing it to the boards in a subtle way).

    However, unless those “others” had the necessary proximity to the scene, and/or cannot substantiate their whereabouts at the time of the murder, I fail to see the relevance of that information.

  94. RPD on

    Well, RPD, you know the mantra: “You can take the boy out of the mountains, but…..” Some truth in that, I reckon. Sure people change once they leave home for the big world. But their core values don’t change. JMO, of course.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Maybe you are right. Maybe he has always been rotten to the core.

  95. indie on

    Wow you all were busy yesterday posting! Meanwhile I was watching college football and boy yesterday was chock full of games. Heck, I even watched some of the game between the Wolfpack and Florida State. Poor Wolfpack they started the game off pretty good but being number one in the country for turnovers did not help matters. Jason must be a little disappointed in the team this year. Or Maybe Jason is just not interested in following football and other favorite sports teams of his since his wife’s murder. According to some posters one should not go on with their life to soon after such a tragedy.

    Alright back to your request…

    HERE ARE A FEW OF THE LIES BEING POSTED ABOUT POOR MEREDITH:

    1. Meredith was jealous of her sister Michelle’s success.
    The truth is Meredith admired and loved her sister Michelle, so much so she packed up her bags to live near her in the great state of North Carolina.

    2 Meredith’s weight was a motive for murder.
    The truth is all women constantly strive to maintain their shape and see women such as Michelle as an inspiration that one can be a busy mom, hold down a career and stay in shape.

    3. Meredith was working as a waitress because she is lazy and lacks motivation.
    The truth is the restaurant business is a great place to make money during any interim phase of one’s life. Meredith decided to work rather than sit home trying to figure out where to go with her psychology degree. A BA in psychology is usually a stepping stone to further education.

    4. Meredith murdered Michelle.
    The truth is the investigators have interviewed, reinterviewed, cross checked and most likely confirmed her comings and goings for the evening of Nov. 2 and the early morning hours of the 3rd.

    5. Meredith was shattered that Jason and Michelle’s will was changed to have Heather care for Cassidy in the event of their deaths.
    The truth is, it is in the best interest of the child to be cared for by a married couple. Meredith having a degree in psychology clearly could appreciate her sister’s decision. Besides it did not change her status as one of Cassidy’s favorite aunts.

    Gojo, I like you could go on and on with more lies but I think you get the picture, the lies above don’t jive with reality. Truth be told I believe Jason is solely responsible for Michelle’s death.

  96. indie on

    I noticed yesterday there was some discussion about the “real” Jason. I believe this is the crux of the case. Jason is complex. He may look like a fine country boy and all but gojo I hate to say it to you because I know it is painful but I believe Jason had some deep and disturbing psychological issues. I also believe that is exactly why this case is taking so long. No one that knew Jason could ever believe he would hurt let alone murder his wife. LE knows this and thus they must unravel his life piece by piece so that it will make sense to the jurors.

    For example let’s look at the teasing of Michelle. Normal husbands would stop when they are asked but Jason continued to tease because of some sort of “emotional disconnect” that is he was unable to feel what Michelle was feeling and stop his behavior. It is not normal gojo. Even though everyone around him learned to adapt it is not normal. Sadly gojo I believe Jason has been wearing a mask of normalcy and that with time we all will come to know about the “real” Jason.

    Gojo, if you can start writing about the Jason that you know and as this case unfolds add the stories from others. I believe you will be astonished at what you did not know about the little boy you once mentored as a child. It may be therapeutic journey for you. I will read your book.

  97. RPD on

    No excuses, but these injuries do make it harder to win games. That is one thing Jason and I will agree on…..

    Lost our All-ACC tight end
    Lost our starting running back
    Lost our “other” starting running back
    Lost our starting Quarterback

  98. Dida on

    Well, RPD, you know the mantra: “You can take the boy out of the mountains, but…..” Some truth in that, I reckon. Sure people change once they leave home for the big world. But their core values don’t change. JMO, of course. Gojo

    In follow-up to indie’s post, and yours, Gojo, may I respectfully suggest that you research narcissistic personality disorder? I recognize the danger in practicing armchair psychoanalysis and I am not a professional; however, I believe, if you approach it objectively, you would find it interesting reading. You might particularly note that this disorder typically does not fully manifest itself until early adulthood.

    You likely have chosen to dismiss the stories on the boards from those who allegedly knew Jason after he left Brevard. I can certainly understand; most of them are quite unflattering: Jason was inappropriately flirtatious with other women, Jason was a “player”, Jason was having an affair. But add to that: Jason changed jobs fairly often (albeit for “better” jobs), Jason teased Michelle to the point of evoking a physical reaction from her, Jason lost his father at an early age and grew up surrounded by adoring, indulgent women…..

    Please, do some research. You might then ask yourself what was really in the therapist’s notes.

  99. RPD on

    Loretta’s “Dr Buster” knows a narcissist when she see one……

    Does Jason Young expect to get away with murder?

    If Young suffers from this malignant personality disorder, yes – he does expect to get away with it. We can take heart, however, that he has undoubtedly self-sabotaged and unknowingly left enough evidence of guilt. Despite careful planning, perpetrators with this type of personality have major blind spots in their thinking and fail to comprehend the consequences of their behavior. Whether this stems from a lifetime of evading blame, disarming and successful manipulations, or enabling by parents and other authority figures, it is inevitable that they will be caught.

    Why did Young take possession of his child if his motive for murdering his pregnant wife was to be free of responsibility?

    If Young is a narcissist, his toddler child is mainly a prop. He may love her in his own inadequate fashion, consider her an extension of himself, and hope that he can deprogram any possible memory she has of the murder so that she becomes useless to the investigation. He also may hope that her attachment to him will lend sympathy and reluctance by Michelle’s family to remove her from his care. Who would want to further traumatize this toddler after such a horrific and confusing experience of being alone with her mother’s bloody dead body for half a day? Right now, Cassidy is Jason’s ace in the hole until he’s arrested.

    What damages Young’s case for innocence the most?

    While we are somewhat dismayed at the recent revelation that Young may be an adulterer, we are not surprised; nor does it, in isolation, point to guilt. The more telling behaviors that indicate Young is probably guilty and a narcissist include his lack of cooperation with the police, a pattern of deception of which we are only seeing traces (and expect much more); his aloof (if not rude) treatment of Michelle’s family, his retention of a criminal defense attorney before the funeral; his suspected arrangement of a third-party discovery of his wife’s body by her sister (which was especially sadistic), and his facile abandonment of the family home. Taken as separate events, they are fodder for the proponents of the laughably anemic “there’s no playbook for grief” defense. However, taken in context as a whole, they are quite damning.

    A stand-up guy does not hide behind a toddler. He does not lawyer up when he’s innocent. He cooperates with the investigation. He returns to his home and grieves with his wife’s family. He dumps his girlfriend. He admits to what he has done and ensures that he clears himself of suspicion as soon as possible, whatever it takes. He submits to a polygraph, Chinese water torture, or intense interrogation because he knows he will not be charged.

    Like Scott Peterson (and Jason Young?), a guilty, cowardly narcissist runs and hides!

  100. indie on

    No excuses, but these injuries do make it harder to win games. That is one thing Jason and I will agree on…..
    Lost our All-ACC tight end
    Lost our starting running back
    Lost our “other” starting running back
    Lost our starting Quarterback

    Your explanation is a fine example of PackPride. I’ll agree those are some very KEY injuries.

    I am just happy that Stanford beat USC cuz
    a. I hate everything about USC including their coach
    and
    b. it makes Appalachian State’s win over U of M a little less noticeable :-) …….. well sort of. Already there is talk about Standford’s coach Jim Harbaugh taking over Carr’s job, but then there is a group aiming to steal Miles from LSU.

  101. Average Jane on

    Hey, gojo, willow_1 is over at CTV contradicting what you told us about Jason’s travel plans. Who’s correct — you or willow_1?

    And can you shed any light on what it means to be “plaid wrong”?

  102. concernedcitizen on

    And can you shed any light on what it means to be “plaid wrong”?

    Happy Hour started early today?

  103. Dida on

    Actually, Scout, it was “just plaid wrong.” Just plaid – was that not a Broadway musical? No, wait, sorry, that was “Forever Plaid”.

    BTW, forgive my manners. I like your place; thank you for having me.

  104. Average Jane on

    I fixed your blockquote for you CC. These brackets, < >, instead of these, [ ].

    Thank you and welcome, Dida.

  105. concernedcitizen on

    Thank you. I realized my mistake after I posted but couldn’t correct. I appreciate you fixing that for me.

  106. gojo1 on

    Howdy, Indie,

    I hope you’ve had a good weekend. Those lies about Meredith you posted are not what I expected. I was hoping for something specific, not opinions: “she was shattered, she was lazy, she was jealous”. Compare that to the concrete lies told about Jason. See the difference?

    Of course, #4 is specific, about killing Jason. Some people have said that. I think a better way to say it is to say she should be considered a suspect, then point out why.

    –Gojo

  107. gojo1 on

    You guys don’t know about ‘plaid wrong’? Try wearing plaid pants with a striped shirt. Somebody will tell you how plaid wrong you are. Guaranteed.

    –Gojo

  108. gojo1 on

    Actually, Scout, I doubt Jason’s travel plans are worth arguing about. I haven’t read ctv for a couple of days. I’ll go over later and see what you mean.

  109. gojo1 on

    I was disappointed to see rpd post the ignorant essay by the fake psychologist. Even if he were a real doctor, does anyone believe he can profile Jason without ever having talked with him? Just relying on lies and rumors on message boards? Ridiculous.

    If the real doctors could do that, think how much time they would save by not having to schedule appointments for patients.

    But I’m sure some suckers will be fooled by the post. Sorry about that.

  110. gojo1 on

    You seem to be suggesting, Dida, that narcissists routinely beat their wives to death. Anyway, I reckon I will leave it to the real doctors to profile someone. I have heard that armchair psychologists are worse than armchair quarterbacks…. and considerably more dangerous.

    You also seem to suggest that Michelle went to the therapist to talk about Jason’s problems. From what I have heard, that is not true. She had a problem and wanted to deal with it.

    As for not knowing what Jason was like once he left home…. I have admitted many times that I realize that is true. But all those things you mention do not add up to Jason beating his wife to death. Don’t you agree? Before a person can kill, he must be able to think kill. Jason can not.

  111. gojo1 on

    DIDA SAID: “However, unless those “others” had the necessary proximity to the scene, and/or cannot substantiate their whereabouts at the time of the murder, I fail to see the relevance of that information.”
    ————————–

    I agree. –Gojo

  112. gojo1 on

    Surfside, you asked some questions about the Young family and relationships. I don’t feel comfortable posting about personal matters.

  113. Dida on

    Gojo, I do not believe I suggested, or even implied, that narcissists “routinely beat their wives to death.” I do not believe that. I do, again, suggest that some research into that disorder might prove interesting to you.

    I cannot refute what you know to be true about Jason; however, I can question how you could know whether or not any other human being is capable of killing given a certain set of circumstances. I do not consider myself capable of murder, but given a threat significant enough, who knows?

    As for Michelle’s visits to the therapist, I would be highly surprised if anyone other than Michelle knew their true purpose.

    Btw, your response to the “plaid wrong” inquiry made me laugh!

  114. gojo1 on

    Well, Dida, I reckon all the guesswork about Jason being a narcissist makes me think that must be important as providing a motive for Jason to beat his wife to death. Like, maybe, it is classic narcissist behavior. Is it?

    About the therapist…. The Youngs know why she went to the therapist, and I imagine the Fishers know also. It was not about Jason.

  115. concernedcitizen on

    About the therapist…. The Youngs know why she went to the therapist, and I imagine the Fishers know also. It was not about Jason.

    And you know that because……?

    Michelle wasn’t around to tell you. You have to assume that the person alive to tell you may not be telling you the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    That’s not meant to be an insult. It’s just an observation. If a person did something wrong they might not “fess up” but might gloss over the truth.

  116. Dida on

    Well, Dida, I reckon all the guesswork about Jason being a narcissist makes me think that must be important as providing a motive for Jason to beat his wife to death. Like, maybe, it is classic narcissist behavior. Is it?

    About the therapist…. The Youngs know why she went to the therapist, and I imagine the Fishers know also. It was not about Jason. Gojo

    Gojo, whether or not you believe me, I am not looking to fit a motive to Jason; rather, I am trying to make sense of a senseless crime.

    And I agree with CC – only Michelle and her therapist truly know the reason she sought help.

  117. indie on

    Hey gojo if you are still here I have a question for you.

    Can you share some stories about Jason’s biological dad? I lost my dad when I was 34 and I think about him every day in some way. I was lucky to have him till then but I sure wish my kids would have had the opportunity to get to know and love him.

    I guess I am asking this question because if I my father had died when I was 5 or 6 it would have changed our whole household dynamics. Was that a tough time for Jason and his family? Is that why you sort of took the Young family under your wing?

  118. Booty Boy Brewery Inc. on

    gojo,
    how do you know what was inside jason’s mind?

  119. Booty Boy Brewery Inc. on

    plaid wrong?
    don’t “rake her over the colds” (sic) for her typos.

  120. ronni on

    I was disappointed to see rpd post the ignorant essay by the fake psychologist. Even if he were a real doctor, does anyone believe he can profile Jason without ever having talked with him? Just relying on lies and rumors on message boards? Ridiculous.

    If the real doctors could do that, think how much time they would save by not having to schedule appointments for patients.

    But I’m sure some suckers will be fooled by the post. Sorry about that.

    The essay is NOT by a fake psychologist. Loretta has never claimed to be a psychologist. Dr. N. Bluster is a character she created to discuss Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

    I also read “As Time Goes By,” and, on that blog, Ronni Bennett has a series of posts by a character she calls “Crabby Old Lady.”

    It is permissible for a blogger to create a character.

    I repeat: Loretta has NEVER claimed to be a psychologist.

    She is not “ignorant” on the subject. She was citing examples from studies available on line, and specifically used the word “if” when speculating that Jason might suffer from the disorder.

    I am so tired of your making the same claims, even when they have been proved to be bogus. You can comment at Observations of a Misfit, and Loretta will tell you herself what I’ve seen several posters tell you on different forums; to wit: she is not, nor has she ever claimed to be, a psychologist.

  121. Surfside6 on

    you said it, sister.

  122. gojo1 on

    Is it working now? Let me try.

  123. gojo1 on

    Okay, Ronni, I went back and reread the rpd post by the fake doctor something. Yeah, I saw a couple of “if’s”. But the purpose of the essay is to point a fake finger at Jason. That’s obvious, and compounded by the last sentence:

    “Like Scott Peterson (and Jason Young?), a guilty, cowardly narcissist runs and hides!”

    Now, you must admit, that is ignorant babble. Why read that trash?

    –Gojo

  124. Surfside6 on

    jason is a narcissist.
    he ran.
    he hid.
    loretta was right.

  125. ronni on

    She is not a “fake doctor.”

    You call yourself “gojo.” How good are you at dissolving grease? Are you a fake cleaning product?

    Loretta isn’t even all that interested in Jason. She states what, to her (and many of us who have a more objective viewpoint that you), are obvious narcissistic characteristics.

    In case you didn’t get the distinction, pointing out characteristics is a bit different from diagnosing.

  126. gojo1 on

    Using your definition, Ronnie, I reckon I can sit here and point out to you all of your characteristics. I’ve never met you, know nothing about you except the lies I read about you on the message boards. You don’t mind if I do that, do you? I can be Dr. Gojo.

    Naw, forget it. You don’t deserve that. I don’t object to Loretta doing her thing. I reckon it bothers me that others fall for it. That is a little disappointing. But I’m a big boy. I’ll get over it.

  127. Average Jane on

    I’ve had enough of the Dr N Buster argument. Please, take it to her blog if you want to continue.

  128. gojo1 on

    Howdy, Scout. How about them Cowboys!! Never give up. Never ever give up!

  129. indie on

    Well gojo, Romo had the whole summer to think about his last season’s playoff blunder so the young lad was up to the challenge. Even though I hate those damn Cowboys, it was an exciting barn burner!

    Yep, never ever give up! As I often tell my one son the race is not always to the swift but to those who keep on running. Kind of sounds like this case doesn’t it?

    NOBODY IS GIVING UP TILL THERE IS JUSTICE.

  130. Average Jane on

    I’ve put up a new blog entry. Please take the discussion to that entry’s comment thread. Thank you.

    REBUTTAL

  131. Surfside6 on

    football or narcissism?


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